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zombocomvibes11 hours ago | parent | context | favorite | on: Tesla Roadster They have the highest rate of fatal accidents across all car brands, more than double the average. https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a62919131/tesla-has-highes... help 
ggreer8 hours ago | next[–] Your link is to an article that references an iSeeCars study from two years ago. They got their crash data from NHTSA FARS, but got their mileage data from sales of used cars on their platform. At the time I noticed some issues with their mileage data.[1] It's very likely that Teslas sold on their platform have very low mileage compared to average, because people either sell a car quickly after buying it, or they hang on to it for years. This also lines up with the fact that the other cars in their unsafe list were all released recently. Working backwards from their stats & FARS data, I calculated that for their claims to be true, each Model Y would need to accumulate only 4,300 miles per year. This is far below Tesla's reports of 13,000-14,000 miles per year. Also iSeeCars claimed that an average of 2.8 vehicles were involved in fatal accidents for every billion miles traveled. But at the time the US had 13.3 deaths per billion miles traveled. So for their data to be correct, the average fatal accident would need to have five fatalities. 1. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42209142 reply BalinKing10 hours ago | prev | next[–] Your comment is—at best—misleading. See the last two paragraphs of the article: > The study's authors make clear that the results do not indicate Tesla vehicles are inherently unsafe or have design flaws.... Many of the other cars that ranked highly on the list have also been given high ratings for safety by the likes of IIHS and the National Highway Transportation Safety Administration, as well.... > “The models on this list likely reflect a combination of driver behavior and driving conditions, leading to increased crashes and fatalities”.... reply empraptor9 hours ago | parent | next[–] could be that Tesla making fans believe their level 2 driving automation is better than it actually is and marketing BS terms like Autopilot and FSD contributing to the fatal accident stat. even if the car itself is rated safe by IIHS, isn't that mostly about how well driver and passenger of the car fare when they are involved in different types of accidents? the safety rating wouldn't take into account whether the manufacturer has done its best to accurately communicate capability of its driving automation system to its customers. and i think pedestrian or passengers of other cars dying is counted under the fatal accident stat. and if you've been in Teslas that are a few years old, you might have experienced phantom braking. random hard braking for no apparent reason. i try to avoid being behind Teslas on the road if i can help it. reply garbagewoman9 hours ago | parent | prev | next[–] You forgot to point out which part of the comment was misleading reply renlo8 hours ago | root | parent | next[–] The discussion was about the car's safety, not driver behavior. A car can be the safest car, but if the drivers who choose that car all decide to drive it off a cliff, it doesn't speak at all to the safety of the car, it speaks to driver behavior. reply mattjoyce5 hours ago | root | parent | next[–] The safest car is one that is not driven, but that is not a useful measure. Put a car on the road and you add a driver, now you can start compare risk. reply queenkjuul8 hours ago | root | parent | prev | next[–] We should definitely be excited about the customers that drive off cliffs now being offered a car which contains a bomb reply renlo8 hours ago | root | parent | next[–] Yes, it's a bomb, but there's no way in hell it's going to be legalized for public road use in the US or EU. It was a cool demo, it's literally a flying car, how could that not be cool. Perhaps some billionaires will buy it, good for them. Why do you guys contort yourselves into knots trying to find any and every conceivable problem with something that doesn't affect you ... get over it already. Go ahead and flag me. reply t_mahmood27 minutes ago | root | parent | next[–] It's not flying, it's just slowing the fall with compressed air maybe? If it's flying then drag racing cars can also fly. reply hereme8889 hours ago | root | parent | prev | next[–] That iSeeCars study is shaky. The death counts come from federal data, but miles driven are their own private estimates, so nobody can check the math. The more rigorous data is the IIHS driver death rates, which use real registration data and adjust for driver age and gender (iihs.org/topics/driver-death-rates). It shows the RWD Model 3 is about half its class average (15 vs 29 deaths per million vehicle-years) and the Model S is about average. The AWD Model 3 is above average (39 vs 29), which points more to how fast cars get driven than to the car itself. IIHS hasn’t published a Model Y rate yet. So Teslas aren’t the deadliest brand. The faster versions show more risk, which is the same pattern IIHS sees with muscle cars. reply moostii4 hours ago | parent | prev | next[–] Yes. Tesla don't make bad cars. Elon makes people believe things that aren't true. It's the later that causes the statistic. reply nomel11 hours ago | prev | next[–] Safety of a car is a different axis than safety of the driver. That combines them. Related, it's why performance cars have higher insurance rates: people who buy fast cars go fast. reply yugoslavia4ever10 hours ago | parent | next[2 more] [flagged] nomel9 hours ago | root | parent | next[–] I would claim "has a most basic understanding of statistics". reply m4638 hours ago | prev | next[–] i think some self selecting populations are skewed. i remember reading about the first cobra in the 60's, where a huge percentage of the owners didn't live to make the second payment. reply 7622369 hours ago | prev[–] This is silly. I bought my Model Y specifically because its safety is so high. You can see it in (1) the crash rate numbers when using FSD, (2) the crash-test ratings are fantastic, and (3) impossible situations where people survived such as plummeting off a cliff on route 1. reply
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