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Hacker News 讨论:一位科技工作者发起十一月罢工倡议

Tell HN: I'm going on strike this November

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一名 Hacker News 用户发帖呼吁科技工作者在十一月进行罢工,引发了关于 AI 时代行业现状、劳资博弈以及工程师生产力变化的讨论。评论区指出科技巨头正将资金大规模投入数据中心与 AI 智能体,并有管理者认为拒绝使用 AI 提升生产力的工程师将面临淘汰。

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Tell HN: I'm going on strike this November 20 points by curiousaboutml2 hours ago | hide | past | favorite | 16 comments Text too big for this (limit 4000 chars), so I'll post in comments. How to join the strike: You simplify inform your employer that you are going on strike. Feel free to send them a link to this thread. Inform them how you feel about your specific situation. There is no need to debate whether you can do this or not. If enough of us do this, it will work. help Image 2Havoc2 minutes ago | next[–] > If enough of us do this, it will work. Tech scene can’t even muster enough collective consensus to slow a „this is potentially dangerous“ scenario let alone a vague eroding of humanity. Still I’m all for people’s right to strike for whatever reason they like reply Image 3airhangerf152 hours ago | prev | next[–] I understand the frustration. I've been in this industry for over a quarter century myself. The proliferation of advanced computing in the palm of your hand with a fancy touchscreen slapped onto it in 2007 seemed like Star Trek magic at the time, but it quickly turned into dystopian tracking before anyone knew it. Now that compute was out of the realm of the enthusiast with the general public okay with locked down devices; with have access to your own hardware now called "jailbreaking," things quickly spiraled to a technocratic state we're moving towards. LLMs should actually be the level to oppose such things allowing for rapid reverse engineering of closed systems and custom bespoke software, but it's all dependent on "cloud" architecture, and OpenAI/Anthropic could ban you at any time for any reason. Independent models like Kimi 3 and GLM-5 should hedge that situation, but compute hardware required to run such models (e.g. 4x DGX units) use to sell for <$20k, but have now been pushed to nearly $40k. Enthusiasts can no long affordably buy the hardware that was so prevalent that made the modern compute era possible. I feel your frustration with your "strike" which is an unplanned vacation. It's won't amount to much and hopefully you won't lose your job. Organizing anything at scale will be impossible, because every large at-scale protest you see is organized by the state or massive private interests. They're all psychological operations, yes even the famous 9 minute clip. When you really dig into all of it, the vast majority of people in this world are in the global control net of the new technocratic religion, and they believe everything they see from a major news site on social media, Google or the TV screen. reply Image 4curiousaboutml2 hours ago | prev | next[–] I am a tech worker. This November 2026, I am going on strike. I want you to join me. This is a 100% human written wall of text. No AI tokens were spent writing/researching this. I will be on strike for the entire third week of November. I invite you to choose your own days that you wish to strike and coordinate with your colleagues. What am I going on strike for? I've just had enough of a lot of different factors which have, over the last decade or so, completely eroded all humanity and "good" from tech. This is not just about AI. AI is a symptom, not a cause. The cause goes way back. It started with being hostile to the users of software, then to non-users by alienating them from society, and now to those who build software (regardless of whether you write code or not). What was the point of software? What was the point of building industry, companies, and jobs around software? It was to empower people. And it HAS empowered people. Software is likely one of the most accessible and cheapest form of relatively advanced technology made available to such a large number of people. What you can do with software today, specially connected to the internet, is pure magic made cheaply accessible to a majority of the world's population. Search, navigation, live communication, live streaming, e-commerce, fintech, health advice are all magic. The resources you need to build this magic and to use this magic is not very dissimilar. The machine used to develop software is basically the same machine used to utilize that software. This is an engineer's dream. We envisioned a utopia which would lead to everyone having equal access to information, communication, market access, and general prosperity. I want to emphasize that this is not specific to those who write code. Anyone who could understand the concept of what software can do and had good intentions at heart was part of this. And then came the greedy grifters. They invested money not just to get returns (they could've gotten returns on any other established field of business), but to gamble for a chance of crazy high returns. They thought software has near-zero marginal cost. They started building walled gardens, to extract rent from users. Build insane profits on that near-zero initial cost. Then they realized you need to maintain software, specially if you didn't do it well the first time to rush to market (out of greed, to crush any competition). The costs started to rise up. There was still plenty of profit, just not enough to satisfy their greed. So the advertisement business grew, and with it came the largest assault on the privacy of the general public ever. Advertising essentially took over software. Nearly all software now was being built in the service of getting attention to advertisements in one way or another. Then they realized they could use this game politics itself. And they did, successfully. And made even more insane amounts of money in the process. And then they realized they don't want to pay the workers anymore who support the software. So they turned against the workers. During all this, the general public has lost control of their lives. They need a locked down always online machine tracking their location, health etc. to access their own money, messages, pictures, etc. The workers building this are forced to rent expensive small apartments near their office, and/or commute regularly, to then video call with other workers, diminishing the utility of the very software they have built, to then further diminish the utility of other software. In a game of pure madness designed to steal everything from the poor and give it to the powerful. I've had enough. Fuck their greed. Fuck their pathological necessity to control us. I'm going on strike. My specific demands from strike may be different from yours depending on your location, your habits, your company, your specific role, etc. But our goals are the same. We want humanity back in software. We want goodness back in software. We want software to finds its way back to empowering the general public, not serve as a resource extraction machine for the rich and powerful. 1. Stop forcing us to write user hostile software. We do not want to lock down software to extract more rent from our users. 2. Stop forcing us to force addictive algorithms. We do not want to force anti-social hate mongering adware junk on people. 3. Stop forcing workers to commute unnecessarily. Not twice a week or once a week or 11.33% of the week. Just no. Let individuals/teams decide how they want to work. If their performance is bad, you already have performance management tools for fixing that. 4. Stop all forms of unnecessary micro-management. The specifics for this depend on your company/role. 5. Stop forcing us to peddle slop. We do not want to shove AI generated bullshit in the face of our users. 6. Stop firing our human customer service staff colleagues to replace them with AI agents. It's one thing to let AI front some of the repetitive work. But AI can't replace a dedicated human who cares about helping the customer. 7. Stop forcing us to deal with slop ourselves. If the software is shit, we need time to fix it. Your deadlines can't go beyond the limits of complexities of real life. 8. Stop forcing "growth". Some of us our happy with our current role/jobs. Not all of us want to write ridiculous long essays praising ourselves for mediocre accomplishments. For many people a job is a job. I think the specifics of these demands is not important, they shouldn't be universal. Different people have different needs. The main reason for this strike is to send a message that they can't keep controlling us forever. And that if we don't cooperate with them, their house of cards will fall tomorrow. And that software must remain a way to empower people, not to satisfy greedy billionaires. So please, join me in my strike for one week of your choice in November 2026. Your fellow working class techie. reply Image 5paxy5 minutes ago | parent | next[–] > I will be on strike for the entire third week of November. My man that is called PTO. reply Image 6rvz2 hours ago | parent | prev | next[–] They are not forcing you to do anything. In fact, companies like Microsoft want you to leave and go on strike forever. These companies don't care and are too busy building homes (data centers) for agents. What they are telling you is that you have no leverage against them since they will just replace you with 1 person with 100+ agents. > So please, join me in my strike for one week of your choice in November 2026 You are free to leave your job and play GTA 6 in November. reply Image 7curiousaboutml14 minutes ago | root | parent | next[–] > What they are telling you is that you have no leverage against them since they will just replace you with 1 person with 100+ agents. I'm not one to deny that current AI models can take you quite far along. But you know they can't replace all of us with LLMs yet. Strikes work if enough of us do it, that's why I made this post. And if you believe LLMs will eventually be able to indeed replace millions of engineers, then it's better that we strike now rather than in the future. But honestly, I have no beef with AI technology specifically or people using it. This is all about being ethical, distributing the fruits of work equally. reply Image 8ironmagma2 hours ago | root | parent | prev | next[–] > Don't be curmudgeonly. Thoughtful criticism is fine, but please don't be rigidly or generically negative. [1] [1] http://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html reply Image 9rvz1 hour ago | root | parent | next[–] Nope, he is free to do whatever. I am just telling the truth and looking at where the money (potentially the salaries of tens of thousands of workers) is going. [0] Tech Giants Double Down on Their Massive AI Spending [0] Google, Meta and Microsoft boost AI spending forecasts [1] Microsoft offers mass buyouts for roughly a quarter of its workforce [2] I am telling you that these companies don't care about human (tech) workers striking, since they are too busy spending that money on data centers for AI agents. [0] https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/tech-giants-double-down-on-their... [1] https://www.ft.com/content/b934037d-7fc6-4f93-acdf-a3ec75f45... [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50245524 reply Image 10ironmagma9 minutes ago | root | parent | next[–] So you honestly think one of the largest and most powerful AI-enabled corporations on planet earth is being stopped from firing these people because of a technicality or two on the books? Why hasn't it happened already? reply Image 11fsflover1 hour ago | parent | prev | next[–] > And then came the greedy grifters. They invested money not just to get returns (they could've gotten returns on any other established field of business), but to gamble for a chance of crazy high returns. They thought software has near-zero marginal cost. They started building walled gardens, to extract rent from users. Build insane profits on that near-zero initial cost. It looks like you are talking about enshittification: https://pluralistic.net/2024/08/17/hack-the-planet/. There are strong NGOs fighting for the user rights like https://eff.org and https://edri.org. reply Image 120xy27 minutes ago | prev[–] I'll be straight up. I have been responsible for performance conversations and hiring decisions, and I use both of these as a tool to ensure that engineers on my team are using AI. The window for the gunslinging no-AI coder sitting in the basement with Mountain Dew and cranking out thousands of lines a day is essentially closed now. My previous superstar 10x engineers are now superstar 50x engineers thanks to AI-enhanced output. All metrics are up. There's also no negative effects either, in fact incidents and faults have declined. This position is the equivalent of the delivery driver in the early 1900s who refused to get an automobile and instead insisted his horse and cart is better. Know that if you oppose a productivity tool that transforms every other engineer, you will be managed out. I've seen it happen more than once already. reply Image 13knottn5 minutes ago | parent | next[–] It’s always been like this in reality. Managers matter, engineers do not. reply Image 14pebble19 minutes ago | parent | prev | next[–] There are no negative effects, yet. reply Image 15paxy3 minutes ago | root | parent | next[–] Been hearing that for 3+ years now. All the people going "once everything goes to shit they're going to hire me to clean up the AI mess" are still waiting. Meanwhile models get better with every new release. reply Image 16mono4422 minutes ago | root | parent | next[–] Three years ago the ai struggled to write a single function correctly. reply Image 17curiousaboutml18 minutes ago | parent | prev[–] You've put words in my mouth. In no part of my post have I claimed that we all need to be no-AI coders, or even that I am one. This is clearly about distributing the fruits of productivity evenly, whether they come from AI or any other way. If you work for a salary and aren't a billionaire, I hope you will introspect why you assumed that your fellow working class human being was against productivity - we are on the same team my friend. If you aren't, well, I got nothing to say to you. reply Image 18 Consider applying for YC's Winter 2027 batch! Applications are open till November 2. Guidelines | FAQ | Lists | API | Security | Legal | Apply to YC | Contact Search:

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